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Post by Oldmankrondas on Jun 16, 2007 19:52:46 GMT
I'm still coming down, feel like I took some wonderful drug at the moment Martha saw the watch onwards. He's back! He's bloody back, and they chose two fantastic actors to play him! Unfortunately the story was clearly just dressing to resurrect the Master for the new generation. But the 3 part finale blind siding was inspired. I cannot wait for next week...now I'm off to watch the rest of Britains Got Talent. Doctor Who and a variety programme? Are we really back in the 70s?
8 out of 10 for me, for purely superficial reasons such as: "It's the bloody Master!"
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Post by Fitz Kreiner on Jun 17, 2007 20:22:18 GMT
Fan-bloody-tastic. on a scale of 1-10, this has to be a 15. Sir Derek Jacobi = spellbinding performance. the switch from sweet old professor to pure evil of the Master was staggering. what a fantasic actor that man is. totally awsome. there was me thinking that the master had to have a beard, but Sir Derek, you've proved me wrong! what a stunning performance. his total contempt for wasserface the blue thing was brilliantly played. especially before his regeneration. which in itself was stupendously done. fantastic scene. and John Simm is already fantastic. "Use my name..." And wasnt it fantastic to hear the sound of Anthony Ainleys Masters laugh and Roger Delgados voice when the Professor looked at the watch? My god, i just cant get over how wonderful this was. the whole episode. nice resolvement of Jack and The Doctor, and the change in their relationship was well written. finally, the Doctor saying to Jack what we've all (well, me) been thinking every time he starts to flirt and say hello (to him thats flirting! ;D) to people. and as for Utopia. a perfect ordered society cannot exist, maybe it was the Masters subconcious seeping through and Utopia was a euphonism (sp) for, well, we all know what the Master is a master of... And in regards to the Master's regeneration lets not forget that he was offered a whole new regeneration cycle in the five doctors. maybe he managed to get one before Gallifreys destruction and his TARDIS is hidden away somewhere. we just dont know! remember, we last saw the Masters TARDIS in Trial of a Time Lord. it wasnt present in Survival, so who knows where he parked it and what he did with it. and, let us not forget that it has a fully functional chameleon circuit!
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Post by John Darnacan on Jun 18, 2007 12:08:43 GMT
An excellent episode, but Russell Davies has much explaining to do. He has, for the most part, avoided contradicting canon. So, this leaves a number of questions, canon and otherwise: - How does he reconcile the Master's return with the events of the TVM?
- How was the Master able to regenerate?
- How did he come to be imprisoned in the watch?
I also have a theory. Davies favourite period of the old series is clearly the Pertwee period. As I'm sure our dear Thasc can tell you, there was to be one final Master story with Roger Delgado, but it was never to be because of his untimely death. But the rumours were that the story was to reveal the true nature of their relationship. In "Smith & Jones", the Doctor refers to a brother which he had once. I suspect Davies is essentially presenting his version of that story: brothers. I look forward to the next two episodes of this three-parter.
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Post by Cornelia_Africana on Jun 18, 2007 13:50:37 GMT
On the whole, I didn't think the plot of this story was particularly exceptional. In fact, it made me think of yet another story from the classic series, namely Full Circle. However, Derek Jacobi was very good, and the lead-up to the revelation that he was the Master was well done. It didn't come as a surprise to me, because the rumour had been around for ages, but if you hadn't heard those rumours, it might have been a quite unexpected turn of events. Interesting that in his human form, the Master was a good guy, too. I wonder whether we'll find out how he escaped from the heart of the TARDIS, too, and how he put himself into that watch. Actually, come to think of it, surely he had a human body (Bruce) the last time we saw him. So how did he get his Time Lord physiology and power to regenerate back? I wonder if all this will be explained in the next two weeks. I expect him to be revealed as the Doctor's brother, though.
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Post by Fitz Kreiner on Jun 18, 2007 20:07:47 GMT
Whats to say that somehow the Master escaped the Eye, maybe popping up in his TARDIS if theyre all linked to the eye on gallifrey, and was offered a new regeneration cycle by the Time Lords, as he was in The Five Doctors.
and as for the watch thing. if you want to hide from a war, what better way that becomming human and laying low untill the war is over. i mean, i cant really see the Master fighting a war, alongside the time lords of all races.
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Post by Oldmankrondas on Jun 18, 2007 22:23:31 GMT
There's one theory that maybe he was freed to help in the Time War and given a new regeneration cycle, but buggered off, or maybe even worked for the Daleks before disguising himself as a human until the time was right. I'm sure Russell will have an explanation for everything, he knows what us fans are like! And yes, it was a little Full Circle wasn't it? It will indeed be interesting to see if he's going for his own take on that "lost" Master story.
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Post by Claire Voyant on Jun 20, 2007 12:11:34 GMT
I was finally able to view this episode on the Internet. Yay! It is very exciting to see Jack back. It was interesting to see the new dynamic between Jack and the Doctor. With Eccleston, Captain Jack was the pretty boy. Now, the Doctor is the prettier of the two, (IMHO). I would like a better explanation of why the Doctor left Jack behind. I didn't really buy that "fixed point in time" stuff. I am dissappointed in the regeneration. I would have liked seeing Sir Derek playing the evil side of the Master. I've never seen John Simms, but I look forward to seeing his portrayal, even sans goatee.
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Post by Oldmankrondas on Jun 20, 2007 22:36:59 GMT
Funny thing is I've been watching the absolutely fantastic "State of Play" with John Simm, Phillip Glennister, David Morrissey etc. and Simm has a goatee in it! ;D I agree though, I wish there had been more Jacobi Master action!
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Post by John Darnacan on Jun 22, 2007 22:18:36 GMT
Whats to say that somehow the Master escaped the Eye, maybe popping up in his TARDIS if theyre all linked to the eye on gallifrey, and was offered a new regeneration cycle by the Time Lords, as he was in The Five Doctors. The Eyes being linked was not part of the show. I linked them in my fan fiction, Firefly, but I don't think anyone else has. If RTD does, then it would be proof that he does read our fan fiction. ;D
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Post by Fitz Kreiner on Jun 23, 2007 8:47:43 GMT
Whats to say that somehow the Master escaped the Eye, maybe popping up in his TARDIS if theyre all linked to the eye on gallifrey, and was offered a new regeneration cycle by the Time Lords, as he was in The Five Doctors. The Eyes being linked was not part of the show. I linked them in my fan fiction, Firefly, but I don't think anyone else has. If RTD does, then it would be proof that he does read our fan fiction. ;D i think i also remember reading something similar in one of the 8th doctor novels too. but it would make sense.
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Post by chancellorvalium on Jun 28, 2007 22:01:23 GMT
I haven't seen a worse story. Unremittant rubbish from beginning to end. 45 minutes of wasted time. Worse than Love and Monsters, this bad fanfic gone wrong bored and annoyed where it should have excited and thrilled.
1/10.
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Post by armadillozenith on Jul 22, 2007 23:26:14 GMT
The Eyes being linked was not part of the show. I linked them in my fan fiction, Firefly, but I don't think anyone else has. If RTD does, then it would be proof that he does read our fan fiction. ;D oh, I have several very good reasons to believe he does... or did... or else, knows someone who relays key concepts to him indirectly. Certain distinctive things posted in fan fiction on the pre-Eccleston BBCi messageboards were (to my mind quite recognisably) echoed in Series 2 and 3. But there's no copyright in IDEAS... and I'm actually quite happy for the Beeb to spend vast sums bringing my ideas lavishly to the screens of watching millions! For me, it was great to see Jacobi reprise his 'Scream of the Shalka' role somewhat AND it caught me by surprise! I was expecting Saxon to be revealed as the Master at some point, but YANA was a revelation. This was a claustrophobic episode harking back to the opening atmosphere of 'The Daemons'. Anyone else note a UNIT-era feel to the quarry chase to the compound gates, with the Doctor, Jack and Martha? Two things disappointed... one, I felt Jacobi's turning-evil dialogue veered slightly into hammy. Only a little... (but then, isn't all actual evil ham-acting of a sort?) Secondly, Chantho's makeup, like the Racnoss queen's, overloaded my disbelief-suspension capabilities. Too obviously a human face among add-ons. Having said that, I liked her character, and her speech oddity neatly served the plot (in several ways): as a focus, of her alienness, of her chummy repartee with Martha teasing that made her a sympathetic and likeable alien, and of the Master's condescending hatred of her. I liked the way this Doctor handled Jack. And the ending, with the watch etc and TARDIS theft, was genuinely suspenseful and gripping. Hence I give it 8 out of 10.
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Post by sontaran on Mar 27, 2008 22:04:41 GMT
The Master returns and the music is fantastic! 10/10 SONTARAN LIKE!
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