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Post by Slagathor on Jun 25, 2007 0:29:34 GMT
So I have mixed feelings about this one. I think there were too many gratuitous references to the old series.
Why was the Master eating jelly babies?
Why must every American president portrayed as a bully? (Psst, they're not all Bush.)
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Post by Oldmankrondas on Jun 25, 2007 8:01:32 GMT
The amount of references was mind blowing. And not only Who ones, Gerry Anderson ones! An invincible Captain on a cloudbase? I especially loved the Master having a sense of humour again, and also rekindling his interest in childrens tv! But what are the Toclafane? Because the credits say sphere voices as oppose to Toclafane voices. And I certainly didn't expect it to go all Leisure Hive!
Thought there was a lovely explanation of Gallifrey and the Masters motivations. Ol' Rusty certainly pulls it out the fire every season finale!
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Post by Cornelia_Africana on Jun 25, 2007 9:08:21 GMT
It was OK, I suppose. The plot was fairly routine, and featured yet another invasion of earth by hoards of aliens sweeping out of the sky (again!). I was starting to lose interest by the end. Also, what, I wonder, was the point of aging the Doctor 100 years?
I must admit, I didn't take to John Simm's portrayal of the Master. It seems to me that RTD has decided to play it for humour and in doing so has camped up the character so much that any genuine sense of malevolence has been lost. There were always camp aspects to the Master's character of course, but previous actors who played him could carry it off with a bit of panache. With Simm, he was so over the top, that what I thought we got was, in effect, a naughty schoolboy delighted with the clever pranks he was playing. On occasion you got some glimpses of the old Master, but on the whole for me, it didn't work. The scenes on Gallifrey were interesting though, and the idea that looking into the vortex as a kid started the process by which the Master went mad was good.
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Post by John Darnacan on Jun 25, 2007 12:00:22 GMT
I enjoyed the flashback scene on Gallifrey with the Timelords in theior ceremonial attire, showing the Master as a child and the genesis of his insanity. John Simm's portrayal has been a bit over the top. But then again, he is insane. I wonder how I would feel if I had not seen the Delgado/Ainley portrayals. Sometimes, he reminded me of the Joker from Batman.  I think the aging the Doctor bit was only to demonstrate that the Master has been manipulating quite a few things (Lazarus et al), and to make the Doctor seem powerless for the cliffhanger. (Could this result in a regeneration into the 11th Doctor?) BTW, whatever happened to Harriet Jones getting three terms in a 'Golden Age'? Has time been altered? Will she return after the Master is disposed of? I am getting suspicious of RTD. These Toclafane are suspiciously like my Hoverons from my fan fic Firefly, essentially spheres under the Master's control. RTD, if you're reading this, I want some royalty payments. ;D (Actually this has messed up a fan fic trilogy using the Master that I've been writing. Oh well.  ) |
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Post by thascalos on Jun 25, 2007 12:53:01 GMT
I thought the story was quite good, I loved the flash back scene on Gallifrey when the Master was a child  John Simm hmmmm well I'm still not quite sure about his portrayal of the Master, although it's not quite as bad as I was expecting it to be. I wish he would tone things down a little bit though, he seems a little bit too giddy at times |
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Post by Oldmankrondas on Jun 25, 2007 12:57:18 GMT
But if you think about it, Simm is playing a dark version of Tennant's Doctor both of them are manic characters Roger Delgado's Master and Pertwee's Doctor were both very similar. Both of them snappy dressers and enjoying the finer things of our culture. Simm and Tennant remind me very much of this great partnership for this reason, because they are so similar and they bounce off each other in the same entertaining way.
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Post by Claire Voyant on Jun 25, 2007 13:42:46 GMT
I enjoyed the new Master. Although, I agree he's a little OTT. It's interesting; we accept different versions of the Doctor, but we expect the Master to always be the same. My biggest gripe with it was the way the American president was played. Clearly, there was some mild anti-Americanism here. I am getting suspicious of RTD. These Toclafane are suspiciously like my Hoverons from my fan fic Firefly, essentially spheres under the Master's control. RTD, if you're reading this, I want some royalty payments. ;D (Actually this has messed up a fan fic trilogy using the Master that I've been writing. Oh well. ) I was wondering when we'd get another story from you Prof. Hopefully, you won't let it upset your plans. |
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Post by chancellorvalium on Jun 28, 2007 22:05:34 GMT
Bah! Take this camped-up gibberish away!
3/10.
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Post by John Darnacan on Jun 29, 2007 10:27:26 GMT
I enjoyed the new Master. Although, I agree he's a little OTT. It's interesting; we accept different versions of the Doctor, but we expect the Master to always be the same. My biggest gripe with it was the way the American president was played. Clearly, there was some mild anti-Americanism here. I am getting suspicious of RTD. These Toclafane are suspiciously like my Hoverons from my fan fic Firefly, essentially floating spheres under the Master's control. RTD, if you're reading this, I want some royalty payments. ;D (Actually this has messed up a fan fic trilogy using the Master that I've been writing. Oh well. ) I was wondering when we'd get another story from you Prof. Hopefully, you won't let it upset your plans. No, but I'm going to wait to see how "The Last Timelord" plays out before continuing to write. |
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Post by armadillozenith on Jul 22, 2007 23:52:25 GMT
But if you think about it, Simm is playing a dark version of Tennant's Doctor both of them are manic characters Roger Delgado's Master and Pertwee's Doctor were both very similar. Both of them snappy dressers and enjoying the finer things of our culture. Simm and Tennant remind me very much of this great partnership for this reason, because they are so similar and they bounce off each other in the same entertaining way. Good point, old man! I think you are spot-on with that observation. And for me, it works very well. Delgado's Master had gentlemanly aspects. He would cheat horribly but he had some honour. Inconsistently. Simm's Master for me was genuinely threatening BECAUSE he REALLY was mad... and unpredictable. That ultimate dangerous feeling, of a person who you just can't reach by any appeal. Sadistic on a global scale, and ageing the Doctor into helplessness to force him watch it all. Insane - drunk on absolute power - and loving it. 10/10, now that I have seen what it leads into in the finale. |
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