Rani? Other Timelords? ever, never, where?

[armadillozenith]

Speculation elsewhere on the Rani leads me to an odd thought
('Rani' is a real title, a high Indian female potentate, by the way - in keeping with renegade Timelords'/ladies' love of grandiosity).

In the 'Time War', did all the Gallifreyans get deleted from all of time and space? as if they have never been?
Simultaneously negating all of their forms in EVERY regeneration, not just their latest ones?
That would take a heck of a swipe at history. The renegade non-non-interventionist ones have hardly been idle in cosmic affairs...
and the Doctor's own timeline and existence have held numerous events dependent on the actions of other Timelords/ladies. If these incidents were all undone how could he be here and be who he is?

If they've NOT all been removed so absurdly completely from existence throughout space AND time, could the Doctor now still travel to times and places where they existed (maybe in their former, hitherto-unmet, regenerations) and meet them there/then?

I have in mind particularly the Rani. I wrote some episodes on the BBCi messageboards in my story 'Pick-Up Point' depicting her younger pre-Kate O'Mara self, her death-fall and regeneration.
The (my!) cat-people she created from human colonists by genetic engineering experiments, the Azen, have appeared in close likeness in 'New Earth' and 'Gridlock' (hey, I even had a cat-Matron in my story! and a faith-based hospital/hospice environment with something nasty suspected in the cellar... genetic manipulation laboratories...)

I must say, I like the use that has been made of them. Especially their nobler character that came through in 'Gridlock'.

I would like to see my backstory idea for the Rani taken up too.

I'd tied her in with corrupt surgeon Mehendri Solon (of 'The Brain of Morbius') as sometime accomplice, and Osiran technology; also Ice-Warriors, Silurians and Sea-Devils (all of whom have reason to hold a grudge against her). Plenty of possible plotlines there, then.
BBC types may contact me if they wish, with money in hand.

;-D

[Hoichi]

armadillozenith said:

('Rani' is a real title, a high Indian female potentate, by the way - in keeping with renegade Timelords'/ladies' love of grandiosity).


;-D

Indeed. It is the feminine of 'Raja' and is generally translated as 'Queen'.

Also, there is a west Slavic tribe called the Rani (I researched Germanic tribes and came across it years ago by accident along with interesting Celtic tribes).

[Hoichi]

I am pretty sure that the Doctor made mention of the Timelords being erased from time. It is as absurd as the idea that all Timelords (even renegades) would fight in the Time War!

[John Darnacan]

I don't think the Timelords could have been erased from history, since in the new series, many seem to have known about the Timelords, from Jabe to Jack to the Racrnoss Empress.

When the Doctor says there are no more Timelords, I believe he is saying there are none in sync with him. And it would be expected that he would probably avoid contact with pre-Time War Timelords to avoid accidentally creating a paradox of some sort.

[mindmatters]

excellent explanation......RTD could use you...

[armadillozenith]

admin said:

I don't think the Timelords could have been erased from history, since in the new series, many seem to have known about the Timelords, from Jabe to Jack to the Racrnoss Empress.

When the Doctor says there are no more Timelords, I believe he is saying there are none in sync with him. And it would be expected that he would probably avoid contact with pre-Time War Timelords to avoid accidentally creating a paradox of some sort.

Yes, but would THEY (the putative surviving renegades) have such scruples? Evidently not, since the Master engineered a paradox...
And would the Face of Boe necessarily have known about ALL these other Timelords/Timeladies? Remember, he probably only knew about the Master because, as Jack, he had experienced all that... but could warn the Doctor only minimally, 'You Are Not Alone', with his dying breath (being by then a bit more savvy and conscientious about causing paradoxes and all that)!

My betting is, the Rani will return.

(but, played by who? Joanna Lumley?? Julie Walters???)

Graham

[Oldmankrondas]

I think going by new series standards, they would probably go for someone who plays it like a female equivalent of Tennant's Doctor. (Should he still be in the role when they decide to resurrect her.) And, like Simm, it'll probably be another young star who is held up in the same vein as Tennant, some female big on TV just now perhaps Keeley Hawes? I suppose we'll just have to watch the relevant spaces.

[Slagathor]

I have to admit, I'm not that excited about having the Rani return. Sorry.